Originally by: Megan Maynard

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Originally by: Demonic Sentiment

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Precisions, target painter, use thermal missiles, watch zealot cry or both of you sit there tanking the other.

o wait.. but have u looked the range of percision missiles has been ****d.. ntm the mwds are screwed over and my cerb has what a base speed of like 210m/s with a increased mass...

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So if he is out of precision range then he has beams.

WARP AWAY or use target painter and normal heavies as he probably isn't using a MWD? And if he is you will still hit him well since his sig radius will be huge.

OH NOES!

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Originally by: Megan Maynard

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Originally by: Demonic Sentiment

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Edited by: Demonic Sentiment on 12/11/2008 02:33:18

Originally by: Megan Maynard

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Originally by: Demonic Sentiment

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Precisions, target painter, use thermal missiles, watch zealot cry or both of you sit there tanking the other.

o wait.. but have u looked the range of percision missiles has been ****d.. ntm the mwds are screwed over and my cerb has what a base speed of like 210m/s with a increased mass...

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So if he is out of precision range then he has beams.

WARP AWAY or use target painter and normal heavies as he probably isn't using a MWD? And if he is you will still hit him well since his sig radius will be huge.

OH NOES!

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o im sry didnt u hear.. u dont need a mwd to tank missiles now.. u can do it with a afterburner

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HAHAHA this is like the commercial with the old lady in the car.

"I can't see"

"Raise the seat"

"I can't reach the pedels"

"Lower the seat"

Seriously, if he's using a AB, then he probably has beams, use t1 heavies with a target painter and you will hit him.

If he's using a MWD use Precisions and watch your missiles hit him.

Think about it.

MWD makes sig large and speed higher then anything AB can provide, and you hit for better damage.

Target fit an AB and goes slower and suddenly you CAN'T hit him......

What's missing there? Oh yeah he has a small sig radius, you need to make him larger.

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Originally by: Vikarion

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Originally by: Raigir

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Edited by: Raigir on 12/11/2008 03:02:11
Missles are already getting some bad dps at times than compared to some turrents.
Why nerf them further.

They need more of a buff just to keep up with turrents. Sure blasters are very limited in range but pack a crap load of dps and sure missles are more versitle and have no such thing as tracking.(maybe explo velocity and sig radius)
But what good is it if it can't do squat to anything.

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The reason I switched to guns early on is because missiles sucked. That was before all of this. Missiles, except for torpedoes after a certain expansion, have always sucked.

They hit for less DPS, they take too long to arrive at their target, they are easily avoided or outrun...so on and so forth. They were only really useful in PvE, or special circumstances. Guns were almost always better.

Obviously, this led CCP to decide that they were far too useful.

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Originally by: Anonymous Troll

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Originally by: Demonic Sentiment

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umm.. when your weapons cant do enough dmg to break a frigs tank.. come back and talk to me about whining...

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I think you need to train more skills and check your ship setup. Either that or you are terrible and should quit Eve.

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Originally by: Vikarion

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Edited by: Vikarion on 12/11/2008 03:35:57

Originally by: Demonic Sentiment

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Originally by: Anonymous Troll

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Originally by: Demonic Sentiment

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umm.. when your weapons cant do enough dmg to break a frigs tank.. come back and talk to me about whining...

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I think you need to train more skills and check your ship setup. Either that or you are terrible and should quit Eve.

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have u tried to use heavy missiles on a cerb yet? not like i can use hams.. now that there range has been nerfed to ****

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Also, fitting HAMS on a Cerb is pretty much suicide by stupidity, since they die so easily.

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Originally by: Vikarion

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Originally by: Demonic Sentiment

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explain.. the cerb gets a descent range bonus so u could shot em out to a decent range.. and get some actual dps

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Simple. Cerberus has very weak shields and can't nano effectively, especially now. It either needs its mids to hold a target down (if using HAMS), or is better employed sniping at range.

If you are going to go up close, use a Drake or a Caracal. At least the Drake is insurable.

The whole role of the Cerb was as a sniping ship. using it up close is throwing good ISK after bad.

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Originally by: Thuia

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Today i was unable to make a lvl 4 mission with my friend...
2 days ago i have no problem to do it alone...

The game should be funny... if nothing changes it will be not funny for me...

So i think CCP want to loose some subscriber... like me...

Now missle are **** for NPC and PVP too...

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Originally by: Crackzilla

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Originally by: Thuia

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Today i was unable to make a lvl 4 mission with my friend...
2 days ago i have no problem to do it alone...

The game should be funny... if nothing changes it will be not funny for me...

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Yet, isn't it more entertaining when something is difficult?

This isn't a nerf...this is a boost to fun!


Tell you what, how about CCP puts missiles back as they were, *only* if they give ncps 10x the hp and 2x the dps.

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Originally by: Thorian Baalnorn

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Originally by: Tippia

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Originally by: Wayson

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I still do not know, and never will understand, why missiles had to be nerfed. Were they destroying PvP? Hahahahaha. Were they breaking PvE by making missions ridiculously easy? ... not really, as NPCs vomit defenders and there are swarms of small ships even in L4s. Blargh.

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They would have broken the tweaked role for small, AB-using ships. This brings missiles in line with turret guns against small fast targets.

Quote:

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*continues training Gallente Frigate III, onward to the Dominix!*

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May I suggest stopping at Gallente cruisers and BCs ù they eat L4s for breakfast, just like before

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in line with turret guns? LOL launching missles and shooting bullets is far far far different. A missle can corrects its course in flight can a bullet? how about a laser? Missles should do more damage and be more accurate than turrets of any type.. because they have their own propulsion, missles can alter course mid flight therefore they should be more accurate than turrets and do more damage, actually, to faster moving ships.

Probably the only reason it got screwed up in the first place is because people whined their guns couldnt perform as good as missle launchers... in real life missles pwn guns.

eve is now offically a contradiction of both physics and reality.

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Originally by: Voin

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Originally by: Demonic Sentiment

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**** ccp : )...

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did u say that?

fuck ccp : )

agreeded

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Originally by: Dracborne

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I posted on page 7 but I've had more time to run a few more missions with my alt. I've successfully run lvl 4 Angels and Guristas Extravaganza, lvl 4 Blockade, and lvl 4 Enemies Abound (all 5). The only mission I had any trouble with was EA 5/5. It's extremely tough now. The light drones are a must for the frigs.

The cruisers take an extra volley or two to kill, and the BS's seem to take an extra 2 1/2 volleys. The biggest difference I've noticed is that I've had to carry an extra 1000 or so missiles into the longer, 4 and 5 pocket missions.

As far as pvp goes, we were testing missile's last night against inties and vaga's. My inties were pushing 4.7k and I was actually getting hit with missiles. My vaga was pushing 3.4k and was getting lit up pretty badly by the missiles.

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Originally by: HowardStern

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Originally by: Demonic Sentiment

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Originally by: Thuia

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Today i was unable to make a lvl 4 mission with my friend...
2 days ago i have no problem to do it alone...

The game should be funny... if nothing changes it will be not funny for me...

So i think CCP want to loose some subscriber... like me...

Now missle are **** for NPC and PVP too...

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as a side not... CCP YOU F.u.C.k.E.d UP

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Being a side not, does that mean they didn't **** up?

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Originally by: Austex II

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Our corp did a test yesterday after the release and the results were hilarious. A Raven verses a Frigate between two players in a corp. With the frigate using an AB, and using the four different types of Heavy Cruise Missles, I had a damage range between 4.5 and 9.3. I unloaded 6 cruise missles at the same time, and I barely dented the frigate's shield. This was also without the use of hardeners. The only way for my BS to take out the frigate was to use drones. I can understand the difference in size and the need to help new players entering the game, but the numbers are unjustifiable.

In lvl 3 and lvl 4 solo missions, with frigates, again it was next to impossible to destroy them without the use of drones. I suppose one could re-look at the ship configuration, but if you end up needing 2 small to medium size missle launchers out of say 6 high slots, the remaining 4 slots are going to have a hell of a time taking out a 1M bounty NPC.

My two cents worth, change is fine, but this is completely over the top. After this, I am seriously considering my subscription.

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Originally by: Mrs Storekeeper

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Originally by: Voltas Stormtide

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I've not spent much time logged in since QR was deployed yesterday so can't comment on the missile thing - but would the people who are frustrated with the issue please outline /exactly/ what missile skills and total missile SP is? We all knew for that in the past the raven was an excellent ship as you could achieve great things with only a few hundred thousand SP in missiles. This is unlike 90% of the other BS where you need significant SP in guns and/or dones to compete.

Please don't flame me, as I said I haven't tried the "new" missiles, however do you think this puts the raven more in line with other BS and we may see more variety now in the ships out missioning?

And FYI: HACs have always outperformed BS for belt ratting.

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To answer your question and also counter some of the whiners in this and many other threads. If you train a character properly for the ship you want to fly, it works better. Before the patch 5M sp pilot could fly a raven and be more effective against NPC's then a 20M sp pilot focused on another race BS. Now you need more skills but if you have them, it's still very good.

This is what I have on my missionrunner alt:
Caldari BS 5
All Missile support skills 5
Cruise Missile Spec 4
Torp Spec 5
9M SP in engineering skills
Missile Hardwiring implants

PvE
Using T2 fit Cruise Raven for ratting and missions and it works just fine. Some NPC's may need an extra volley to kill but no larger difference then that. 75m3 drone bay = 5 light and 5 med drones to handle frigs and sometimes destroyers or cruisers.

PvP
My T2 fit Torp Raven does massive damage and still has a decent tank. Just don't expect it to be a solo ship for PvP. This is a multiplayer game, team up with some friends.

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Originally by: Sylper Illysten

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Ok, so now that missiles can't hit smaller targets, can we bring their damage inline with guns? I mean that was the trade off wasn't it? Now that misisles are restricted to targets of the same size it seems that the dps should be modified to be inline with outher weapons systems.

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